In recent years it’s been hard to find the “arts” in the A&E cable channel. Not so, says A&E’s chief programmer: “I would completely refute that. I think they’re absolutely about the arts and culture and pop culture. You look at this country and 50%, [a] huge chunk of the population belongs to gyms even if they don’t go to them. It’s a huge focus on bodies and exercise and getting fit, and I think absolutely this is representative of our culture. We’re getting at it from a sort of particular angle and following, you know, personalities here, but that’s absolutely about representing the arts and culture. So, yes, it’s — you know, we’re not focusing on the traditional arts, but I think both these series are going inside the creative process.”