Initially Drabinsky would make specific suggestions on how to move expenses around to make the books look better, but later simply set a budget for staff, telling them to meet it. “I would go back with staff and Mr. Drabinsky would … suggest where to put these (expenses) because he was the one that had to explain it to the board or outside analysts,” Gordon Eckstein told prosecutor Robert Hubbard. Cash flow problems were constant and creditors were paid only part of what they were owed, he told court.”