She: “[It’s] healthy, anarchic randomness [mixed with] rational, militaristic-like precision.” He: “[It’s] the marriage of the business and the art, which isn’t necessarily an unhappy marriage. … Because in the end, you want happy audiences. You want people to come and see your shows. No one’s trying –” She: “– to be Grotowski. It’s just guiding the right audience to the right show.” He: “We haven’t quite cracked that yet, but we’re working on it.”